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decency. >> i think there are many stereotypes that we still battle today. i think there are some derogatory terms out there that are still used for individuals with cognitive and intellectual disabilities. and understand that individuals like ryan have hopes and dreams, and aspirations, just like the rest of us. >> keira phillips, cnn. >> you ready? your world revealed. cnn "newsroom" continues right now with ali velshi. >> tony, great to see you, thank you so much. i'll take it from you here. i'm ali velshi, taking every important topic we cover a step further. we'll try to give you a legal of detail that will help you put your world into context. this one is important. a purport he hadly unfiltered fox hole view of the world in afghanistan, a puck at your of the world that appears to be bogged down by rugged territory, and an enemy fighting foreign invaders for decades. all of and much more contained
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in 90,000 classified military documents released on the internet by the self-proclaimed whistle blower website wikileaks. this happened last night. these logs cover the war between 2004 and january of this year. they were published today in the "new york times" and two other overseas publications. cnn has not independently confirmed the documents, but we are in the process of reviewing them now. here are some key points of the logs from the "new york times." number one, we discussed this last week on this show. pakistan's intelligence agency, the i.s.i., has allegedly been aiding the taliban and the afghan taliban for years. the founders of wikileaks say there is evidence of what he calls war crimes committed during the war. the taliban allegedly using shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles to shoot down u.s. helicopters and other air crafts. these missiles helped afghan guerillas defeat the soviet occupation in the 19el 80s.
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there were a huge number of civilians caught in the cross fire in land and air operations and also seek let u.s. commando raids against taliban leaders, some successful, others resulting in civilian deaths. again, one of the most devastating points in these documents is the allegation that pakistan's spy agency is supplying weapons, training and even planning some operations for the afghan taliban. now, on friday, i spoke with matt waldman, this is before these wikileaks were made. matt waldman is an independent analyst who, through his own research, has come to the same conclusion about pakistan's intelligence agency, helping the taliban. he has visited afghanistan numerous times, and interviewed taliban field commanders, taliban officials, foreign diplomats, and other analysts. here's part of what he told us. >> well, this is research that we conducted over six months, and as you say, we interviewed a very large number of individuals, all of whom who have some experience or knowledge of the insurgency in afghanistan. as well as insurgents
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themselves. and what was remarkable about this research was that there was a great deal of agreement between the different interviewees about the level of support from pakistan being provided to the insurgents. and, of course, it's in terms of sanctuaries, so the fact thattin surgents can cross the border from afghanistan into pakistan, where they're relatively safe, where they can requip or rearm or prepare for future attacks. and/or indeed in other respects in terms of the supplies that they have or indeed the training. >> this is remarkably important, because of the fact that pakistan is a large recipient of u.s. money. they are the bull work against the taliban in that part of the -- in that part of the world. so later on in the show, i'll bring you more of my conversation with matt waldman, very revealing conversation. in the meantime, let's get back to this wikileaks and the documents. the leaking of the classified documents has triggered outrage from washington to kabul to
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pakistan. here are some examples. the white house strongly condemned the leaks. national security adviser james jones denounced them as irresponsible. the pentagon says it's studying the documents to determine any potential damage to the lives of troops and to u.s. allies. and from kabul, the afghan government said it's shocked by the information in the documents, saying they are open to the reality of the afghan war. the pakistani government says the reports that its spy agency is aiding the taliban are baseless. they have faced these reports before, and they have had the same response. and a former chief of the i.s.i., pakistan's intelligence agency, says the reports are, quote, absolutely and utterly false. now, the white house briefing -- the daily white house briefing is expected to start at any moment, and this issue is expected to be topic number one. we're going to bring it to you live as soon as it starts, but first let me bring in nick robertson, our senior international correspondent, covering afghanistan for as long as we have been covering
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afghanistan. nick, anything in here real quickly, before we go to this white house briefing, anything in here surprising or particularly new to you? i know you haven't had a chance to go through much of it, but as you have seen what's come out. >> it's the detail, ali. you've got to lock at all this detail. it's more detail than we have ever seen before in the newspapers, "new york times" and others were able to compare what's come out. these documents, reports, of individual events or attacks or whatever and compare them to what's happened in the subsequent days and the information that's come out. and sometimes it appears that in their reporting that these documents and the initial reports from the troops on the ground don't measure up to the facts, civilian casualties higher than initially reported, for example. it's all those tiny details that give you this granular, granular picture of what's been happening in the war. and that's where what the wiki leader boss said he was trying to do this. >> what are the people executing the war saying about this?
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is this damaging or is this helpful? >> damaging. absolutely they say it's damaging. it's damaging, they say, because it puts troops in harm's way, gives away factual details about how troops operate, the fact that u.s. troops know that heat-seeking surface missiles are being used against them, it's something they didn't want to put in the taliban's domain, or the taliban will use this against u.s. troops, look at all the analysis that will go on on other websites, on the internet, and they will use this to their advantage in the field. they will use this -- these civilian casualty reports in their own propaganda. so it can be potentially damaging that way. of course, the people putting this out are saying, look, if you're going to fight a war, everyone really needs to know the details of what's happening. and we are learning here details of things that we cannot and have not been able to find out on the ground, despite multiple questions on certain issues. so it is revealing. it is revealing information we haven't been able to get to thus far, and it's not until you go through all these documents you can really put it in a big analysis, and really frame it
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better than this sort of snapshot that we're getting so far, ali. >> nick, you stand by. we're going to the white house where this is going to be dealt with by the reporters in their. stay with me. this is white house press secretary robert gibbs. >> hold on, stragglers are coming. >> the boston straggler? >> you have to explain -- i got it, but, yeah. we'll check back, like on thursday. >> that works. yes, sir. >> thanks, robert. two questions. a few on wikileaks. what was the president's reaction when he heard about the leaking of these documents? >> well, i remember talking to the president sometime last week after discussions with news organizations that these stories were coming. look, i think our reaction to
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this type of material, a breach of federal law, is -- is always the same, and that is, whenever you have the potential for names and for operations and for programs to be out there in the public domain, that it -- besides being against the law, has a potential to be very harmful to those that are in our military, those that are cooperating with our military, and those that are working to keep us safe. >> i mean, was he personally angered by this? did he demand answers? >> well, the -- there is an ongoing investigation that predated the end of last week into -- into leaks of highly classified secret documents. >> does the white house believe that the documents raise doubt about whether pakistan is a reliable partner in fighting terrorism? >> well, let's understand a few
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things about the documents. based on what we have seen, i don't think that what is being reported hasn't in many ways been publicly discussed, either by you all or by representatives of the u.s. government for quite some time. we have certainly known about safe havens in pakistan. we have been concerned about civilian casualties for quite some time, and on both of those -- both of those aspects, we have taken steps to make improvements. i think just the last time general petraeus testified in front of the senate, there was a fairly robust discussion about the historical relationships that have been had between the
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taliban and the pakistan's intelligence services. >> so no doubt about pakistan's trustworthiness -- >> no, no, look. i think the president was clear back in march of 2009 that there was no blank check for pakistan. that pakistan had to change the way it dealt with us. it had to make progress on safe havens. look, it's interest in the pakistanis, because we certainly saw last year those extremists that enjoyed a safe haven there, turning their eye on innocent pakistanis. that's why you have seen pakistan make progress in moving against extremists and waziristan. but at the same time, even as they make progress, we understand that the status quo is not acceptable, and that we have to continue moving this relationship in the right direction. >> one more quick one on this.
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what do you think this says about the ability of the government to protect confidential information from being breached like this? >> look, i think there is no doubt that this is a concerning development in operational security. and as we have said earlier, it is -- it poses a very real and potential threat to those that are working hard every day to keep us safe. >> i wanted to ask you quickly about congressman rangel and the ethics charges he faces. is it the purpose of the white house that he reach a deal and put this behind him? >> you know, ben, i don't have anything on that. i've been focused on the wikileaks. >> are you worried that would be a distraction in september? >> i don't -- let me get some information on that. >> on the wikileaks, one of the questions that this raises is whether it makes sense for the united states to continue to give billions of dollars of aid to pakistan, if they are helping
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the taliban. and i'm wondering if that is a concern, and what you think about that? >> well, again, as i said a minute ago, on march 27th, 2009, the president said "after years of mixed results, we will not and cannot provide a blank check. pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to rooting out al qaeda and the violent extremists within its borders." again, i am not going to stand here on july the 26th and tell you that all is well. i will tell you that we have made progress in moving this relationship forward, in having the pakistanis, as i said earlier, address the issue of safe havens, the issue of extremists operating in that country by undertaking operations again in south waziristan. because over the course of the
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past more than year-and-a-half, what the pakistanis have found is that those -- the extremists that once enjoyed complete safe haven in parts of their country now threaten their country. so they have taken steps, we want to continue to work with them. to take more steps. of we understand that we are in this region of the world, because of what happened on 9/11. that ensuring that there is not a safe haven in afghanistan by which attacks against this country and countries around the world can be planned. that's why we're there, and that's why we're going to continue to make progress on this relationship. >> a blank check is one thing, but is there enough progress there to justify the aid that is being given to them? >> again, look. i think -- i think it was -- even if you look at some of the comments the secretary of state
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made just last week in pakistan, and, you know, our -- our criticism has been relayed both publicly and privately. ask we will continue to do so, in order to move this relationship forward. >> and i know you're unhappy about the leak. but could you talk about how that part of the issue is characterized in the memos and whether you think it's actually -- >> which -- >> -- in terms of pakistan's role? >> look, i'm -- again, i would point you to, as i said a minute ago, i don't know that what is being said or what is being reported isn't -- isn't something that hasn't been discussed fairly publicly again by named u.s. officials and in many news stories. i mean, the "new york times" had a story on this topic in march
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of 2009, written by the same authors. >> okay. i also want to ask you where sthings stand with the consumer regulator decision. how soon is the president going to make a decision? >> yes, i don't have an update on the time line from last week in which i said i did the not think that things were immediate. i know that the president will look at this job and the several other jobs that are created as part of this legislation, and make an announcement. >> and what criteria is he going to be looking at? i know you don't want to talk publicly about the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates but -- >> i think we've got a number of -- as we have talked about here and with many of you on the phone, i think we've got many good canned the candidates. and, again, i think if you look back at the reason that the president and the team wanted to
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create a bureau that dealt with consumer issues. because even as we look back at the debate and look back at the issues that were involved in this debate, most people's interaction with the financial system is -- is not on a wall street trading level. it's -- it's in getting a loan. it's in getting the capital to create or expand a small business to buy a home. and i think ensuring that there are protections for those on main street, in order to interact on a daily basis with the financial system are tremendously important. >> is wall street's opposition to warren going to be weighed in the decision-making process? >> i said this last week and i'll repeat it again. i think elizabeth warren is a terrific candidate.
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i don't think any criticism in any way by anybody would disqualify her. and i think she is very confirmable for this job. >> back on wikileaks, a couple times now you've said in the last couple of moments that a lot of this information is not really new. that named u.s. government officials have said some of this same information. >> well, i'm not saying -- yeah, i said were weren't any new revelations in the material. >> how could national secure not have known this already? >> because you've got -- it's not the content as much as it is their names, their operations, there's logistics. their sources. all of that information out in a public way has the potential, ed, to do harm if. if somebody is cooperating with the federal government and their name is listed in an action report, i don't think it's a stretch to believe that that
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could potentially put a group an individual at great personal risk. >> but is part of the concern as well that this is going to embarrass government officials because maybe the war in afghanistan is a lot worse off than this administration the previous administration let on? >> again, that's why i would go back to my first point, which is in terms of broad revelations, there aren't any that we see in these documents. and let's understand this. when you talk about the way the war is going in afghanistan, documents purportedly cover from i think january of 2004 to december 2009. i can't speak for the conduct of that war from an operational perspective for most of that time. i do know that when the president came into office in 2009, he in the first few months ordered an increase in the number of our troops, having
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spent two years talking about how our efforts in afghanistan were greatly underresourced, increased resources in troops to provide security for an election, and then as you well know, conducted a fairly comprehensive and pain staking review of our policy, which resulted in december 1st, 2009's speech about a new direction in afghanistan. and i would say this. we came in talking about afghanistan and pakistan as a region, not as simply two separate and distinct countries, which put emphasis on our relationship and the actions of pakistan. >> that's right. but even if there is a new policy put in place in december of 2009, does that erase the mistakes that may have been made years in advance of that? >> well, of course not -- >> do the documents suggest that this war is too far gone -- >> no. >> -- to turn around with one
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policy change? >> no, i don't in any way think the documents suggest that. i haven't seen anybody to suggest that, except to say this, ed. the -- we agreed that the direction -- this administration spent a large part of 2007 and 2008 campaigning to be this administration. and saying that the way that the war had been prosecuted, the resources that hadn't been devoted to it, threatened our national security. that's -- remember, we had a fairly grand debate about whether or not the central front in this war was iraq or afghanistan. we weighed in pretty heavily on afghanistan, because for years and years and years, more troops were needed, more troops actually had been requested by the commanding general. but no troops were forthcoming. that's why the president increased our number of troops heading into an important election period. and why we took steps through a -- again, pain staking and
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comprehensive review to come up with a new strategy. >> but even after that painstaking review, these documents are suggesting that the pakistani government has representatives of its spy agencies, essentially, meeting representatives of the taliban. >> but, again -- >> -- plotting to attack american soldiers and afghan officials. how can that suggest the war is going well? >> you're con plating about seven issues no one question. but let's be clear, ed. i don't think -- let me finish. >> afghan officials are working with the taliban. how can the war be going well? that's one question. >> ed, i'm saying that the war -- the direction of our relationship with pakistan, based on steps that we have asked them to take, has improved that relationship. >> last week, secretary clinton said the u.s. and pakistan are, quote, partners joined in common cause. >> yes -- >> do you think these documents are joining in fighting a common cause? >> yes, in fighting extremists
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within that border. again, go back to last year, ed. remember last year? >> sure. >> when these extremists decided they were going to march on the capital in pakistan? that became a threat to pakistan. for the first time ever, you saw -- you saw pakistan fighting back against violent extremists that had otherwise enjoyed safe havens. when the general jones refers to in his statement the actions that they took in south waziristan, that's exactly what we're talking about. point i would make on the premise of your question, understand that the documents go through december of 2009. i don't know if you meant to n conflate actions -- >> well, do we know for sure the pakistani intelligence is no longer working with the taliban? >> i can they're making progress. >> but it's not ended. >> no, again, i would point you to the hearing that was conducted just a month ago. less than a month ago with
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general petraeus where this was talked about. ed, nobody is here to declare mission accomplished. you have not heard that phrase uttered or admitted by us as a way of saying that everything is going well. understand this. that we got involved in this region of the world, after september 11th, and then for years and years and years and years, this area was neglected, it was underresourced, it was underfunded. that's what led the president to say that what we needed to do was focus on what was going on in afghanistan. that's why we're here. >> yes, ma'am. >>. >> two questions, robert. given the apparent ease that mr. manning was able to obtain and transfer these documents, does the white house or anyone in the administration ordered any kind of immediate change to make sure that this is not -- >> i would point you to the department of defense that should be able to discuss what changes they've made in operational security. >> do you have any insight into what mr. manning may have been
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motivated by? >> not personally, no. i don't know if the department of defense would have something -- >> in terms of the president reaction, can you give us any kind of insight in terms of was he angry, was he concerned, was he worried? >> well, look, again, i think any time you -- any time in which more than 90,000 top-secret documents which are against the law for me to give to you, would -- i think it would be safe to say it's alarming to find 90,000 of them published on a website. >> last question also on miss sherrod. i wonder if you have any word on if she'll accept the job that's been offered, or if there is any time frame for that. >> that's a question for her. >> the conventional wisdom in washington is the white house is trying to keep the focus on the release of the documents, rather than what's in the documents. you've stated the president is concerned with this breach of federal law, but is he concerned with evidence in these documents about civilian casualtieses,
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about cooperation between the taliban and the i.s.i.? >> let's be clear again, the statement the president made in march of 2009, very much understand the complicating aspects of our relationship with both of these two countries. the existence of his historical relationships between the taliban and pakistani intelligence. and look, during the recent debate about general mcchrystal, remember, a decent part of the "rolling stone" article discusses frustration within our own military about rules of engagement around civilian casualties. so we're not trying to either conventionally -- through conventional wisdom trying to deflect anything. what i'm merely saying is that what -- what has been, i think what is known about our relationship and our efforts in both afghanistan and pakistan, are not markedly changed by what
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is in these documents. in fact, i think if you -- again, you go back to march of 2009, what the president says, we are clearly taking steps to make progress in dealing with pakistan's safe havens. certainly dealing with civilian casualties. we all know that in efforts like this, to win hearts and minds, you're certainly not going to do that with innocent civilians caught tragically in the crossfire. >> but in reading these documents, if they're true, you can't help but be shocked by what you read in here about some of the horrible things that have happened. has the president read enough of had himself to be shocked? >> i don't know -- look, the -- chip, i want to be clear. the president does not need to read a leaked document on the internet today to be shocked and horrified by unnecessary -- and every civilian casualty is
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unnecessary. of casually of innocent life. we can go back, and i have been asked inside this briefing room for well over a year, times in which our commander at that point general mcchrystal, ambassador eikenberry and former general eikenberry had gone to see different places around afghanistan that -- that had seen horrific civilian casualties. look, each and every -- as i have said, each and every casualty -- innocent civilian casualty is -- is a tragedy, and it makes the job against the extremists much, much harder. >> on the -- does the president believe that the release of these documents has harmed or will harm more effort overall? >> again, i think any time in which you potentially put those -- that could be -- whose names could be in these documents, missions and
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operations. chip, there are documents that are classified and rated secret for a reason. and i think that's -- that's the law. >> so it's a setback? >> no, i think it's concerning that you have -- you certainly have operational security concerns. again, i think many of our challenges in both afghanistan and pakistan are the same today as they were last week. i don't think anybody would tell you that they anticipate that progress isn't going to be slow and difficult in both of these two countries. that's why -- >> it's a pretty fundamental questions. do these documents constitute a setback in the war in afghanistan? >> i think they constitute a setback in security concern. >> the white house has said this is not an objective news outlet,
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but rather opposes u.s. policy in afghanistan. i wonder if you could explain how that's relevant to the accuracy of the documents. >> i think the founder of wikileaks, i read his interview today, comparing troops in afghanistan to the secret east german police as certainly something that we would fundamentally disagree with, and something that has somebody that clearly has an agenda. >> that may be the case, but does that in any way impact accuracy of these documents? for example, are you suggesting they selectively held back documents that would be more favorable -- >> savannah, i don't -- i'm not afforded -- nobody in this government was afforded the opportunity to see what they do or don't have. i don't know that that question is relevant for me as much as it is for him. >> i just wondered if by making this point you're trying to -- i guess attack the credibility of the documents that are out
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there. >> no, no. again, i have not -- i certainly have not reviewed 90,000 documents. this got brought to us late last week. again, what i -- the coverage i read off the news documents doesn't -- i think materially change the challenges that we have in each of these two countries. as i said a second ago, i don't think the challenges that you would have listed on a piece of paper this time last week are quite honestly different based on what we read in this document at this time this week. i think the challenges that we have had and the historical relationships with pakistan intelligence and the taliban were certainly something we were working to address. so it's not -- that in and of itself isn't -- isn't a surprise. working on safe havens in pakistan and their impact on our efforts in the war, all of those things -- i think all of those
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things many of you all have covered. >> is the administration confident it has the leaker in custody? >> i'm not going to get into discussing the aspects of the investigation. that's ongoing. yes, sir. >> robert, do you have any comment on the position taken by the u.s. government in a letter written by richard le bar and deputy chief eight days before the release wherein the u.s. supposedly preferred the use of compassionate use over prisoner transfer agreement and do you have plans -- >> let's be clear. one, i think the letter has been released by the state department. two, there was not a preference -- the preference that was enunciated in this letter, the preference that was enunciated in the call to prime minister brown, the preference enuns it's aated by john brennan and others directly was that al
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magrahi should not be released. we think the decision not to release him -- we agree with that today. of we -- that's what we publicly stated prior to the release. the letter says, and i think this is borne out, if you look at the pictures of what happened, in the event that this the -- they make decision we do not think they should make, do not let him travel to notet hi welcome coming home. we also think the letter clearly states -- and i'm not sure this was covered in the "sunday times," we asked for an independent medical examination of magrahi to ensure that the medical representation about having only three months to live was indeed supported independently. >> all right. that's white house press secretary robert gibbs. most of
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this conversation has been about those leaks of tens of thousands of documents on wikileaks, or at least the publication of those leaked intel documents about the war in afghanistan. robert gibbs saying that the founder of wikileaks is serious -- is somebody who clearly has an agenda. we're going to talk a little bit this, and what wikileaks is. it's a self-proclaimed whistle blower site. i want to change channels for a little bit. we'll come back to wikileaks and the afghan war in a bit, but ford motors, the only american car company to not file for bankruptcy. we've got the ceo here to tell us where the auto industry is headed for ford, for all those auto workers and for the american economy. what it means for you when we come back. now snapple's got healthy green tea, tasty black tea, real sugar, what's our slogan? bester stuff! - stuffy stuff! - good stuff for bettering stuff!
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[ engine revving ] ♪ the 2011 corvette... only from chevrolet. well, from huge bailouts to some big scares on the road, we have seen a lot of bad from car companies in the last couple of years. but ford seems to be heading in the opposite direction. ceo, allan malali joins us from our new york bureau right now. allen, good to see you again. >> good to see you, ali. >> allen, whenever we talk about ford, a number of people ask me, you know, isn't this just sort of free air time for ford, and
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aren't we promoting what they're doing? but fortunately, i've been going back a few years and doing this, separating ford from the pack several years ago, because ford starting just before you came on board, from boeing, really did things to situate itself for the oncoming recession. and now you guys have reported this major profit. i want to hear from you, allen, somebody who oversees this company and so many workers and has seen so much devastation. are we out of the woods for the auto companies in the united states yet? >> well, i think that we're on the recovery, ali, and our best -- our best guidance going forward is that the recovery in the united states, the expansion of the economic activity, the gdp, is going to continue through the rest of 2010, maybe in the 3 to 3.5% range. also, we see that recovery continuing slowly, versus the past recoveries from recession also in 2011.
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when it comes to the auto industry itself, that means about a 11.5 to 12 million industry in the united states this year. and then increasing, you know, modestly in 2011. and that's what we have provided our guidance against in our financials against that. >> all of the u.s. automakers have had the same issue. they have had to confront things within the company that need to be fixed, greater efficiency within the company, something you got started in about 2006, and then they've got those external problems, so a couple years ago, it was the lack of availability of credit for people who wanted to buy a car. and the fact that people were very uncertain about the economy. so they didn't to buy a car. what are the head winds now for you and for your competitors in terms of the things that are outside of ford, outside of your company? >> well, i think that the most important thing for all of us is the continuing recovery and growth of the u.s. economy, and the economies around the world. we have been through a very
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traumatic time with this last recession. and, of course, it's shaken all of our confidence. but all of the signs that we have seen now as a result of the fiscal and the monetary policy tell us that we are recovering slower than the past, but a very positive trajectory. and the neat thing, ali, as you pointed out is the decisions we took nearly four years ago, was to focus on the ford brand, take our production down, get back to profitable, match the real demand, and then accelerate development of all of these new cars and trucks that we're seeing today. so it's gratifying on our part at ford to have the vehicles that people really do want and value, as the economic recovery progresses. >> let's talk about jobs that are coming back or factories being retooled. you just announced -- you just unveiled the 2011 ford explorer today. i understand that president obama is going to be visiting a factory in the south side of chicago. is that the factory you're making these at? >> absolutely. and, you know, ali, this is a
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terrific story. and just another proof point of the recovery. because, you know, clearly we revealed the new explorer today. and we have produced over the years nearly 6 million explorers. and ali, over 4 million are still on the road today. and every year, 140,000 explorer owners are trading their vehicles in, and most of them another explorer. and so one of the big messages that we received from them, and the rest of the market was that they really wanted a reinvention of the new explorer with the quality, the fuel efficiency, the safety, the smart design like my ford and all of the rest of the ford vehicles have. and that's what we're launching today. and back to your question about chicago, what's really neat is we are now investing $400 million in our chicago operations. we're going to create 1,200 jobs. and then with our suppliers, we're going to create another 600 jobs in 23 states around the united states. and you know, another neat proof
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point about the explorer is it is the most exported vehicle out of the united states. we export the explorer to 90 countries around the world. so it's just another indication that, you know, we believe in the recovery, and we're investing in the recovery, and we're going to have the products that people really do want and value. >> give me some sense of where, through your prism of seeing workers and seeing car dealers, you think this economy is going to go over the course of the next year. of i know that you've said that you feel demand might weaken a little bit as people get a little bit concerned about what their future is, if we don't see job creation in this country. are you worried that we might get into a double dip recession? >> well, i think it's a really good question, too, ali, because, you know, in most recoveries from recession, there is an initial hire growth, and then it slows up a little bit, but stays on a trajectory to come back and keep growing. i think that's what we've maybe seen over the last couple months. but clearly, it's looking better, we're back on that trajecto
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trajectory, and we are -- our assessment is, i think with most economists and also the fed, that we're going to see an expansion in the united states for 2010 of somewhere between 3 and 3.5% and growing some more after that. so i think we see most of the signs saying that we're going to have a steady, slower than in the past recovery, but a good, steady recovery for all of us. >> all right. i'll put you in the optimistic column, which you have kind of always been. i guess that's kind of your thing. but we'll keep talking about this, and i hope you're right. i hope we're not going for another dip in this recession. sorry we couldn't be in the same place, but hopefully we get to try out some cars again soon, and take them around the track and get excited about the auto industry again. allen, good to see you again. thanks very much for being with us. >> good to see you, ali. >> allen mulally, the ceo of ford motor. announcing a massive profit just on friday. you can see more about things that happen having to do with your money on "your money" saturdays at 1:00 p.m. and sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. all right, the whispers building to a dull roar today.
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tony hayward may be on the verge of getting his life back. that's what he asked for. we'll get the latest on a possible shuffle at the top of bp. live from london when we with him back. hey guys, i got some more savings for ya, and this one i'm taking to the house. the ice cream man is here! breyers all natural grasshopper pie.
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okay, day 98 of the oil disaster in the gulf of mexico. the oil has stopped flowing, at least for now. but still a lot of disaster out there. let's go straight to london, bp's ceo, tony hayward, his future is in jeopardy, in fact, this may be his last day as the head of bp. don't know for sure, we'll hear about it later. but jim bolden is following this
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very closely. >> i think the sense is he will lose his job officially overnight and we'll hear about it tomorrow morning, tuesday morning, when bp announces its second quarter results, that's when we'll hear the economic impact of the gulf spill on bp. but more interestingly i think is that tony hayward has been able to stick it out so long, and that he is very likely to stick around longer, even though he may lose the job as ceo, talking about a possible transition period for two months, there is speculation out there. and also he might join the joint venture bp has in russia called tnk-bp, so it doesn't look like he's going away completely, but he will certainly step out of the limelight and allow american bob dudley to step in. of that seems to be where bp is heading tonight. >> you and i talked about bob dudley before, an official at amoco which percentaged with bp some years ago. it would be very unusual. this is a stall ward british
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company. what's the logic of this and what would change under dudley. would any of what's going on at bp change as a result of what's changing at the top of the company? >> i think it would be fascinating, wouldn't it? bob tudly as an american grew up in mississippi, went to college in illinois and smu, known through amoco, so more americans will know him than people here in the uk, certainly, and would be the first american, certainly, to run bp. it would actually put this american face, this american voice on this story, and on the clean-up. and it would certainly be a way for bp, they would hope, to rebuild their reputation in the u.s. by showing that they would put this man who has been at the company between amoco and bp for a very long time, and to put him in charge of everything. and that would certainly, they would hope, send a signal to the white house and congress. >> is it more than a signal, jim, though? the problem with tony hayward, was it operational or that he had become such a lightning bolt for bad public relations? i mean, do they really think it
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would signify a change in the way they do things? and i know dudley comes with system some particular experience that is useful with respect to deep water drilling, but is there any speculation that it would change? >> one of the things bob dudley did was ran tnk-bp until 2008, and it was a very difficult time for bp with the russians and got very messy and he had to leave. but he cut his teeth on that deal. and i'm sure the board were very grateful for him to do that. and then, of course, you remember last month he took over the day-to-day operations of the clean-up for bp in the u.s. and so the board would have seen how well he did that. and i think you would agree that certainly the temperature has been lowered in the u.s. since that happened. and then tony hayward came back here, went and saw russia, to the middle east to talk to investors. he has come out of the media spotlight at the moment. and now that the well has been capped, we can talk about whether temporarily or forever, but the well is at least temporarily capped, this seems to be a good time for bp to make the switch. >> all right, jim, you'll be on top of the story and i think we
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can probably expect the announcement to come sometime after midnight, 12:40 london time we expect to hear about this announcement, correct? >> exactly. >> thanks very much for staying on top of it for us. jim bolden outside headquarters. we'll bring to you any developments as we have for the last three months. everybody is arguing about this new immigration law that goes into effect in arizona this week. cnn has a new poll out about how you feel about it. we're going to crunch the numbers for you as soon as we come back. stay with us. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you from paying up to thousands of dollars...
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military reports about afghanistan. according to the "new york times" which was granted access to the document by wikileaks, u.s. forces have gathered intelligence about pakistani officials actively engaging the afghan insurgency. robert gibbs said the u.s. relationship with pakistan won't be markedly changed by the reports. bp's board meets tonight. we're expecting a big announcement to follow. reports out of london have ceo tony hayward negotiating his exit from his job after months of p.r. missteps in the gulf oil disaster. his expected successor is robert dudley. arizona's tough new immigration goes into effect on thursday. a new poll suggest most americans want to get tough an illegal immigration. 57% of those surveyed say the government's focus should be on stopping the illegal flow of
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illegal immigrants to the u.s. time for globe trekking. a u.n. court today convicted a notorious executioner of crimes against humanity on a breathtaking scale. cnn's dan rivers was there. >> reporter: he stood apparently emotionless, he presided over the deaths of more than 14,000 people at a secret torture camp. >> 35 years of imprisonment. >> reporter: he remained impassive. so, too, did those watching on tvs across cambodia as the 35-year sentence was imposed. he will only serve less than 19 years, taking into account time already behind bars. >> given his age and the 19-year sentence he has to serve from today, the reality is that he
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will be an exceptionally old man in all likelihood at the time he is released. >> reporter: but outside, there was fury. this survivor railing at his demeanor and the sentence which many felt was too lenient. >> it's an insult to the survivors and the loved ones lost. so it's not acceptable. >> reporter: these were among the crimes against humanity the court found him guilty of presiding over. inmates were tortured to death while shackled to iron bed frames, scenes of unspeakable brutality in 1979. these images showed the world just hoe depraved the experiment had become. kerry hammel was among the western tortures.
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>> it's a completion of -- for my brother. our family suffered a great deal and the people of cambodia suffered enormously and i only hope this is the first shackle to be broken. >> reporter: for many, this is a landmark in cambodia's troubled history that sends a clear message -- >> guilty. want to bring you some breaking news. we've been telling you about bp's ceo tony hayward. we do not have confirmation yet that he is going to be stepping down or being pushed aside. what we do have is our matthew chance has a comment from bp tnk.
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that is the russian bp joint venture in russia. an official tells cnn as part of hayward's severance package he may be offered a number of directorship or consultant positions at jointly owned ventures like tnk. there are active discussions about what it is he's doing. we understand an announcement will be made with respect to a management change at bp late tonight when bp releases its quarterly earnings. the expectation is that tony hayward will be out. robert dudley, formerly of amoco, will take over as the ceo of bp. the british company, an american will take over and that tony hayward will move over to bp tnk, the bp russian joint venture. we're going to take a break. next a look at a big idea that's
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i'm ali velshi. it's a new hour. we've got a new rundown. condemnation from the u.s., shock from afghanistan, denial from pakistan. reaction is pouring in after the
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release of thousands of afghan war documents, information you were never supposed to see. two men used god to bilk people out of $190 million. and a child gets treated at a hospital. years later, he treats the hospital to $1 million. we'll tell you how he did it. first, a purportedly unfiltered foxhole view of the war in afghanistan. rugged down by rugged territory and a determined enemy who's been fighting foreign invaders for years. all of this contained in more than 90,000 classified military documents released on the internet by wake laex. these logs cover the war between 2004 and december of last year. they were published today in "the new york times." cnn hasn't independently confirmed the documents but our producers are in the process of reviewing them now.
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here are some of the key points of the log. we talked about this extensively last week -- pakistan's intelligence agency, isi, allegedly aiding the afghan taliban for years. the founder of wikileaks says there's evidence of what he calls war crimes committed during the war. the taliban allegedly is using shoulder-fired heat-seeking missiles to shoot down aircraft. they helped them defeat the soviet occupation in the 19 # 0s. a huge number of civilians have been killed in the war, caught in the crossfire in both land and air operations. and secret commando raids against taliban leaders. some have been successful. others resulted in civilian deaths. this has triggered outrage from washington to kabul to pakistan. here are some examples. the white house strongly condemned the leaks. james jones denounced them as irresponsible. the pentagon says it's studying
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the documents to determine any potential damage to the lives of troops and to u.s. allies. from kabul, the afghan government says it's shocked by the information in the documents saying they've opened the reality of the afghan war. and the pakistani government says that reports that its spy agency is aiding the taliban are baseless. a former chief of the isi, pakistan's spy agency, intelligence agency, says the reports are absolutely and utterly false. let's get a little bit more on this story from the pakistan correspondent for "the new york times." she joins us from our new york studios. thank you for being with us. we talk about this all the time, allegations that the isi, pakistan's intelligence service, is helping the taliban with money, with organization and denials from pakistan. first of all, does that come to you as a surprise or does your reporting indicate that that's quite possible and quite likely? >> i think it's quite possible. it doesn't surprise me that the isi would deny it.
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any spy agency would. that's what they do. >> would it be likely if they were involved in this they would be doing so with the approval and understanding of the pakistani government, because we've heard that it's quite possible the pakistani government doesn't really have much control over its spy agency. >> well, it's very hard to define the inner and outer workings of any spy agency. but i think it's safe to say that it's well-known in pakistan that the afghan taliban is a major asset of pakistan. that's the way it has been and that's the way people i know in pakistan, both in the military and out of it see it. they see the afghan taliban as an important asset for the country. so i don't doubt that that's the case. >> and yet pakistan is a major recipient of u.s. government funding and military aid and material in what most americans
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would think would be the battle against the taliban, the stated enemy in afghanistan. how do you square that circle, that there are many in pakistan who believe the afghan taliban are allies versus those who think that's who they're fighting? >> well, i don't think there are many people in pakistan who think they're fighting the afghan taliban. but put that aside, i think the united states says it has an ally in pakistan. it does to is eastecertain exte. but to the other side of it, they don't have an al lichlt there's duplicity going on here. pakistan does allow the united states quietly -- they give us permission to run drone strikes inside their territory to strike at al qaeda operatives. there is very important for the conduct of the afghan war. so from pakistan's point of view, they give us that. and from pakistan's point of
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view, they don't want to give us a clampdown or they don't want to separate themselves from the afghan taliban. i guess you couldn't have a complete ally in pakistan. >> you and other journalists know this, the u.s. state department knows this, the u.s. intelligence community knows this, and yet when the u.s. government, we just heard it less than an hour ago with robert gibbs talking about pakistan, i they talk about pakistan as a strong ally. our white house correspondent, ed henry, continued to push robert gibbs on this. as far as the administration is concerned, they describe pakistan as an ally in the war in afghanistan and an ally in the war against terrorism for the united states. >> well, the united states gets some things from pakistan and doesn't get others. american military officials and hillary clinton have been visiting pakistan virtually nonstop.
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i read two days ago that admiral munl, the chairman of the chief of staff, when we went to islamabad two days ago was having his 19th meeting with gener general kiani. i would say in the last half of the meetings, generally mullen has been asking the chief of the pakistani military to xleez conduct a campaign against the afghan taliban inside wiziristan. the afghan taliban are a national asset for pakistan. it's a big ask for the united states to say, don't do it. >> you pointed that out. what do you mean by that? when you say the afghan taliban are a national asset for pakistan, in what way? >> pakistan feels it's very
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necessary to have a sphere of influence, to have some control in southern afghanistan, particularly when the war -- the end game of the war in afghanistan starts to come about, which is about now. people are thinking about what's afghanistan going to look like when the americans leave? and for pakistan, it's very, very important that india not control afghanistan. india is, from pakistan's point of view, its big rival. so to counter india's influence in afghanistan, pakistan cultivates and keeps the afghan taliban. so when all is said and done and when the war is over, it's hardly likely that pakistan will have the afghan taliban at the very least in a sphere of influence in southern afghanistan. so that's basically what this is about. i might say that if pakistan and india were able to reduce their tensions and able to solve the
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problem of kashmir, we might be able to solve these problems in afghanistan. but that, so far, is a bridge too far. >> you've done an excellent job, jane, at explaining something that has many layers of complexity but we're all going to have to understand almost as well as you do to understand how this war is being carried out. the enemy, the afghan taliban, the allegations that they are being trained and armed by a major u.s. ally in the war on terror, we'll have a live report from pakistan coming up next. junior, run the numbers! price on a flight to maui. >> on it, dad. >> nobody move!! >> hrmmm? ♪ priceline negotiator >> i'm calling a family meeting. >> there's no time... we're searching hundreds of sites
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we've been following the wikileaks document dump, i guess you could call it. 90,000 documents classified documents about the war in afghanistan. one of the most devastating points in the documents that were leaked by wikileaks is the
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allegation that pakistan's spy agency is supplying weapons, training and even planning some operations for the afghan taliban. on friday, i had a conversation with matt waldman, an analyst who came to the same conclusion. he's visited afghanistan numerous time. he's interviewed taliban field commanders, taliban officials, foreign diplomats, other analysts. here's a chunk of what he told me on friday. >> well, this is research that we conducted over six months. we interviewed a very large number of individuals all of whom have some experience or knowledge of the insurgency in afghanistan as well as insurgents themselves. what was remarkable about this research was that there was a great deal of agreement between the different interviewees about the level of support from pakistan being provided to the insurgents. and of course, it's in terms of sanctuaries so the fact that insurgents can cross the border from afghanistan into pakistan whether they're relatively safe,
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where they can reequip, where they can rearm, prepare for future attacks. or indeed in other respects, so in terms of the supplies that they have or indeed the training. >> what would be the point of this? why would pakistan, even though they've got this history with india and this ongoing conflict with india, why would they be interested now today in continuing to help the taliban when, in fact, official government policy in pakistan is not to do so? >> well, i think that we have to appreciate the fact that there is, if you like, a sort of latent conflict, a sort of hidden rivalry and tension between pakistan and india. and it is a very serious competition between the two states that as you said have been to war three times and have had numerous other skirmishes and minor confrontations.
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and indeed, as you know, there was the attack in mumbai in 2008 in india which killed over 160 indian civilians. that has contributed to the tension between the two states because india believes that somehow the isi, as you mentioned, the pakistani intelligence agency, was behind this. so we've got to acknowledge that there is real rivalry between these two countries. and indeed, they see afghanistan as somehow significant in terms of that rivalry. >> let's go to islamabad now. this is the capital for pakistan. they continue to deny officially that there's any connection, that they back the afghan taliban. but the reality, as we heard it from matt, we heard it from jan perlez from "the new york times," you heard it well,
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something we in the west don't think about, this ongoing more than half a century old tension between pakistan and india may be at the root of pakistan's double dealing if they are doing that in pakistan. >> reporter: it is, ali. and with all the focus about the fight against extremists and militants in afghanistan, you rarely hear about india's role. but india is a huge factor. i know a lot of viewers must be asking why, why would the pakistani security forces, why would the isi, the spy agency, that's getting millions of dollars from the u.s., partner up with the afghan taliban? it all comes back with india. a few months ago. pakistan's army chief who never does on-camera interviews invited some reporters to army headquarters where he briefed them. we were fortunate enough to be there. he laid it out plainly. that the state policy, the regional policy of pakistan has
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everything to do first and foremost with india. the fact is that pakistan is obsessed with india. they have a real fear that india, its perennial enemy, is trying to circle them with its growing ingluns in kabul. and many u.s. officials and many analysts are convinced that pakistan's spy agency, some elements within it, are maintaining relationships with the afghan taliban to counter that growing influence from india, in kabul, with the ultimate goal of securing a friend, an ally in kabul once u.s. forces pull out. so today in islamabad, all day you had government officials flatly reject these allegations. but certainly, ali, these wikileaks reports are going to raise more questions about the isi, shadowy spy agency with a checkered pass. and doubts about pakistan being
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fully on board with u.s. missions here. >> this has memories of the cold war, the idea of having a sphere of influence in the neighboring country or country. and afghanistan's always been so central to everything that goes on in the region. i want to ask you this, reza, does the pakistani government control its spy agency? we already know the pakistani government doesn't effectively control that area that's just beyond where you are that we're talking about, these mountainous regions between pakistan and afghanistan. so the pakistani government denies these allegations. but do they actually control what the spy agency does? >> well, they will tell you that they do. but there's a lot of evidence that will indicate that they don't. one example after the mumbai attacks a year and a half ago, what the civilian government tried to do to ease tensions was send the head of the isi, pakistan's top spy agency to mumbai within about 24 hours,
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the pakistan military and the isi said, no, that's not going to happen. another attempt by the government was to bring the isi under government control in a short time, that plan was rejected. so you have these developments that once again indicate that the most powerful institution in pakistan is the military and its spy agency. >> what an interesting story. reza, you do a great job of explaining it and you're right in the heart of it. reza in islamabad, the capital of pakistan. conmen will do anything to gain people's trust, even god. we'll tell you about a horrible betrayal of faith. [ male announcer ] if you've had a heart attack caused by a completely blocked artery, another heart attack could be lurking, waiting to strike. a heart attack that's caused by a clot, one that could be fatal.
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and 50% off brake pads and shoes. my money. my choice. my meineke. let me show you what's going on with the dow. 66 points higher. 10,491 on the dow right now. another money story to tell you about. it's about fraud, about people using -- taking god's name, using faith to defraud other people. sad story. poppy harlow's got it. she's in new york for us. unfortunately, it's not a new concept. >> reporter: we've all heard about bernie madoff. we all know about that fraud. but what we've learned in our months on digging on this story is that there are a lot of other major, major frauds out there. this one we're going to tell you about happened in my home state of minnesota. almost $200 million. and they used god to make it happen. take a look. this is a story about skewed
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financial fraud. the feds say trevor cook took in $190 million. it's about trust, it's about faith and it's about the people that abused them. a lot of people that invested with them for bible-believing christians. they didn't want wall street or washington. they trusted people here at home. >> he went after -- targeted a group of people, their faith in the lord is what they're all about. >> everything is gone. i've lost everything. and now i will be 62 in july. >> it's been rough, really rough. >> there's no risk. riskless transaction. >> reporter: cook ran the operation telling investors he had a system to cash in on moves in the foreign currency market.
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cook talked a good game but it was just an illusion. behind his high-tech office and glossy brochures were a host of shell companies that sounded like global powerhouses but were nothing of the sort. pata kiley was the money manage. he broadcast over 100 christian radio station. >> i'm probably the only senior economist and senior analyst in the united states. that also uses the good book. >> reporter: were christians targeted in a sense, were faith-based people targeted in these frauds? >> any good fraudster is going to leverage whatever means they can to get that trust connection there. >> reporter: cook pled guilty to one count of mail fraud and one count of tax evasion. and it seems he splent plenty of his investors' money on ways that were decidedly unchristian. you said they were, what,
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strippers there, hookers? yeah? >> they would call up ladies of the evening, prostitutes or whatever you want to call them and have them come in. >> reporter: this was another side of trevor cook, the heavy drinking, frequenting strip clubs and even several arrests. one for assaulting an escort at this minnesota hotel. and, ali, that's just the beginning of this story. investors had no idea they were putting their money with a guy that had been arrested multiple times, once for assaulting a hooker at a hotel in minnesota. for them to learn this after all of that is shocking. as for what's next, cook struck a plea deal with prosecutors. he'll be sentenced next month. he faces a maximum 25 years in prison. kiley has not been criminally charged. he won't return our calls. he filed a lawsuit saying he didn't participate in any wrongdoing. he believed investors' accounts were liquid and segregated.
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his lawyer said, he never expected there was anything wrong with these investments. he continued to believe he was doing good for all his clients. but all the people that were drawn in from the radio show have a pretty hard time believing it. right here on cnnmoney, you can see all of it here, a lot of the outtakes of the interview. we went to the s.e.c. in chicago to find out where they are in all of this, you can find that on the website, too. >> people need to see the signs these fraudsters use in order to get your money. the only way to sniff somebody out is if you know what it looks like. thanks for that, poppy harlow. up to 700 more planets in our galaxy right here. maybe, just maybe, life. we're going "off the radar."
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i don't even need -- chad's here because he gets paid to be here. i don't need him to do the weather today. it's hot! where do i have to go to get away from the heat? >> you just went there. you went to the southern hemisphere. >> it is so hot and it's been so hot. it's not logical. normally i tell people in the summer, i don't really enjoy the south. go to the northeast. it's been hot there. >> today's only 90 in new york. only. >> excellent. >> you lower your standards to a cool 90 degrees. look at that. look at charleston. that's heat index -- >> i thought towns on the ocean are supposed to be a little more moderate. ocean air moderates the temperature -- >> except when you get all the humidity. >> this is what it feels like. >> exactly. later on today, showers will pop up and cool you down.
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showers are popping up right now across parts of tennessee and georgia and alabama. showers along that i-75 corridor. this is nice. this is why it doesn't get as hot typically in the south as it does some places even in the midwest. it can get to be 114 in nebraska sometimes and there's no relief from that. but at least the showers pop up in the south. when the clouds pop up, at least some of the heat goes away. there it is. that was the forecast for charleston. they got it right on the money. may go higher than that. that was the forecast. back out to the west, dry lightning. how does that happen? it's not really dry. we call it that because there's not enough rain in a thunderstorm to put the fire out after one lightning strike hits it. >> relatively dry. let's go railro"off the radar." way off the radar. >> they think they've found some new planets. they looked at the shadow --
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what they think is the shadow of planets passing over other stars. how many stars? 145,000. that means there's 145,000 other suns out there, just in this part of the galaxy alone that they're looking at. when the star twinglktwinkles, random things going by. we just know that stars are so far away that they twinkle. but the things going on here is when a planet can fly between us and that star, that twinkle can be real. that dimming of the star of that sun can be real. and then they would know that this planet got in the way. and as planet cans get in the way, this thing can see it. there's the little thing up in space. many years to go -- >> before iz sends stuff down? >> no.
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it sends stuff up down. they're up to 700 potential planets. >> but nobody's spotted any life -- >> they saw a bald-headed guy up there. >> we're going to do breaking news "off the radar" if we found life in outer space. when it comes to drugs and gangs and murders in mexico, you haven't heard this one. globe trekking on the other side of the break. a different story? of one financial company that grew stronger through the crisis. when some lost their way, this company led the way. by protecting clients and turning uncertainty into confidence. what if that story were true? it is. ♪
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time now to go globe trekking. we start in northern mexico. even for a region that's all two accustomed to violence, death and corruption, what you are about to hear is shocking. the mexican government says jailers in the town of gomez
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palacio released prisoners temporarily to kill members of rival drug gangs. they gave the prisoners guns and cars. after the hits, the prisoners went back to their jail cells. a massacre a week ago yesterday at a birthday party in a neighboring town. 17 people were killed. four jail officials, including a warden, are being held while authorities investigate further. the government of germany is investigating a deadly stampede at a weekend music festival. 19 people were crushed or trampled to death in a tunnel leading to the entrance of the love parade in a former railroad yard. hundreds of others were hurt. at issue is whether the site was too small for the crowd which was estimated to be as large as 1.4 million people. this much is known, organizers say the event which dates back to 1989, will not be held again. and cubans are celebrating revolution day. on this date in 1953, fidel
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castro led an unsuccessful attack on a cuban army barracks and wound up in prison. but the revolution came to pass and now raul castro presides in the town where identifidel was no-show. a man raises $1 million for a children's hospital before he leaves for college. and he's going to tell us how he did it.
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this hour's top stories start with your views on illegal immigration.
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a new cnn opinion research corporation poll shows half the country, 51%, are dissatisfied with the number of illegal immigrants in america. but less than 1 in 4 describe themselves as angry. on thursday, a law that gives police immigration enforcement powers takes effect in arizona unless a judge decides otherwise before that. at least 200 buildings are destroyed, more than 1,000 damaged downstream of a broken dam in eastern iowa. the dam gave way after 10 or more inches of rain in 48 hours. so far we've heard of no injuries or deaths. and this may or may not be an answered prayer. but a group of french nuns has just hit the big time. after a worldwide search of 70 convents to find the best singer, a sign of nuns were signed to a music deal. they've taken a vow of isolation. they'll photograph their own album cover and film their own tv commercial. "mission possible," every
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day we do this. ben saider, a teenager, raises over $1 million for a children's hospital in dallas, texas. he joins me now to tell me why and how he did it. we're going to do that after the break? let's talk to ben right now. ben joining me now from dallas, texas. ben, good to see you. you've got a t-shirt on that says "kid swing," the organization you are a founder of. take me back in time to when you were 3 years old and you first had your -- you had your first experience with this hospital that you raised money to. >> well, i was first a patient there when i was 3 years old. i had surgery there when i was 3 and then again when i was 10. and it was shortly after my second surgery that i figured out at the hospital that they do all their treatments for free. they don't charge patients for anything. so i told my mom that i wanted to do something for the hospital for all they'd done for me. >> this is a texas texas for
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children. tell me what ensued from that. >> when she told me they did all the treatment for free, i didn't know how it was possible to run this huge hospital, not charging any of the patients. i asked her how they got all their money. and she told me all the money they get to raise the hospital comes from donation, charity events and stuff like that. immediately i told her that i wanted to do something to give back to them. >> what did you do? >> well, after we talked about it a little bit, at first we weren't thinking anything big at all, just something very small to give back to them. after we talked about it a little bit, we eventually came up with the idea of a charity golf tournament. eventually came up with that idea, that we'd have a charity golf tournament that kids would play in. >> you've been raising money. when did this happen? a year or two ago you decided to
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tally it all up and you figured you'd made about $500,000 for the hospital. and then you were going to be disqualified yourself because once you hit 18, you're not going to be able to play in the tournament? >> yeah, it was a few years ago. we were about halfway to the $1 million. and we kind of got the idea in our heads that we might be able to get to the $1 million in a few years. and we figured that when i turned 18, that would be my last year before i went off to college, my last year to play in the tournament. we set that goal for the tournament to raise $1 million by the time i went off to college, which is coming up in the fall. and we just had our tournament and we got our $1 million. >> $1 million -- $1,018,142 is what you've raised so far. is this going to continue after you've gone off to college? >> yes, definitely. we have a kids swing kids committee which is about 20 kids that work on the tournament and kind of decide things to make
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the tournament more fun for the kids and we also have an adult committee that kind of makes more of the executive decisions that the kids can't make. so i'm sure it will continue and i'll definitely come back and help out. >> it does seem -- holding the tournaments seems something familiar for adults. what do you think the kids who are involved in this, the kids' committee end up taking from this? >> i think all the kids that play in the tournament actually take away a lot because they learn about the importance of giving back and community service earlier in their lives. and i think that they'll be able to continue that on as they go on with their lives. >> that's great of you. taking something that you first experienced when you were 3 and then when you were 10. you turn it around and do what other people think they're going to do. you did it, you raised $1 million for the hospital for children. congratulations on that, ben. i hope your good works continue through your life and you'll keep us posted on them. >> yeah, thank you. >> ben is joining me from dallas. the founder of kids swing.
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go to the website to find out more about the organization. another guy who likes to golf, ed henry is standing by. he is at the white house. he was grilling the white house press secretary, robert gibbs, earlier about this wikileaks.
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white house press secretary robert gibbs is used to getting grilled. but today he was grilled about wikileaks. the founder will be on "larry king live" tonight at 9:00 p.m. if you haven't been following the story, about 90,000 documents were dumped onto the internet, given to some
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publications. they all talk about the war in afghanistan. let's go to our man at the white house, on the staik staek stakeout, ed henry. you guys in the white press corps all have an understanding and a relationship. but you kept on going at robert gibbs. what were you trying to get at with him today in the white house briefing? >> reporter: what i was trying to get at is when a story like this break, you typically hear the white house press secretary shg , it's a story they don't want to talk about. the idea, there's nothing new here. we knew maybe there are problems with pakistan. basically saying, there's not a lot here new, guys, move onment but when you have some 90,000 secret documents, even if some of the premises of them are not new, the level of detail is certainly new. it comes at a time when this administration has been trying to claim that it's got a whole
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new approach to the war in afghanistan that's maybe going to turn the situation around. what i was trying to get at is the fact that when you strip all of this away, just last week secretary of state hillary clinton was in pakistan saying that we're partners, we're on the same page. and these new documents, while we've heard before about challenges from pakistan and whether we're really on the same page, is now laying out these allegations that the pakistani intelligence service has been working in cahoots potentially with the taliban. that maybe the pakistanis have been working with al qaeda, in trying to go after u.s. troops on the ground. that seems to me to be something that could really undermine the war effort at a very, very delicate time. >> you were asking him -- i heard you ask this several times. they had come out with a statement. i don't know if it was the state department or hillary clinton or the white house. but somebody stated the u.s. and pakistan are on the same page with respect to the war on terror, the war in afghanistan. and as a result of these
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documents that wikileaks released, can we still continue to say that? i think that was the gist of what you were trying to get at? >> reporter: yeah, that's the gist at what we're trying to get at specifically on pakistan. but more broadly, others were pressing robert gibbs on whether struggle this undermine the war effort, whether this is a setback. he would not answer it directly. there's no question now that some of the president's own fellow democrat, liberals like dennis kucinich, put out a statement saying they've been challenging the president's policies in afghanistan. now they're wondering whether the war can continue the way it's going right now. is it much worse than this administration and the previous administration have been suggesting to us? and i think at the end of the day through all of these revelations, the big question is going to be whether or not that war effort has now been undermined in a major way.
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and i think when robert gibbs keeps saying there's really nothing new hear and we've known about these challenge, certainly we're getting a lot more detail. but we're also getting a picture that maybe the government didn't want us to see. >> right now, the president is speaking. it's an unexpected statement about campaign finance if you want to follow it. you can see it on we weren't expecting this. what is he talking about with respect to -- >> reporter: this is something they added. it's about the disclose act, which we're expecting to come up for a vote on the senate floor tomorrow. harry reid is not likely to have the 60 votes to break a filibuster. business groups like the u.s. chamber of commerce are saying he's just basically pushing this disclose act because it would restrict what corporations can do in term of election and campaign fund-raising.
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that corporate giving would help republicans and maybe conservative democrats. and the allegation from the business groups has been the president is trying to restrict corporate free speech here. the white house is insisting they're just trying to sort of clean up election, make them fairer, make them cleaner. and they're trying to make a political point here that republicans are going to be filibustering and blocking a chance to clean up elections. the bottom line is the white house is looking at the fact that this disclose act is going to fail on the senate floor and may open the door to a flood of more corporate -- corporations putting more money into republican campaigns, something the democrats don't need right now when they're already in desperate shape. if all of a sudden corporations can end up giving even more money, that's going to be a bad development for democrat. that's really behind the scenes what's going on. >> good to see you as always. somebody's been tweeting that he doesn't like the fact that you and i comment on each other's clothes and it's a waste of
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time. but i have to tell you, i like that look, the paisley and the striped shirt. >> reporter: i appreciate it. >> it's fetching. >> reporter: i haven't heard that before. if you could work on the transition to the stakeout. some days you have a kid who grew a 50-pound pepper -- maybe we could come up with a better pitch. >> i'll work on that. ed henry at the stakeout at the white house. we'll work on our entries. i could tell you what today's "wordplay" is. but then i'd have to kill you. it's coming up next. ♪ band: this girl i know's so into ♪
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classified. doesn't mean i can't tell you. classified is actually our word. it has to do with the leaked afghan war documents the government is so mad about. a lot of times people use words like classified, secret and confidential interchangeably. it's a catch-all term for sensitive, restricted information. there are three levels of classification. top secret, next is secret, the lowest level is confidential. the determining factor in how information is classified, potential damage to the country should it be disclosed. for example, the government says top secret information reasonably could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security. last year, about 183,000 documents were classified by the government. only 2% were listed as top secret. the most restrictive category. the vast majority, 77% were made secret. 21% were just confidential. according to "the new york times," most of the afghanistan reports it got from wikileaks
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time now for the "xyz" of it and some well-earned recognition for a giant of my profession. daniel schorr was a foreign correspondent who persuaded khrushchev to give his first tv interview. in 1979, ted turner persuaded him to lend his name to a crazy


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